Fresh from Rugby House. Congrats to them both:
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Fresh from Rugby House. Congrats to them both:
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Posted by Ref on 7 May, 2008
https://refblog.co.uk/2008/05/07/new-elite-referees-announced/
County championship game yesterday up north so did my (no familiar) fly drive option. Just means getting up and 5 and getting home at 11.30, but hey ho.
Was a really good game. Visitors started strongly and looke dlike it was going to be a rout, but home side held on and fought back, if not in terms of points, but in spirit.
Sometimes the CC can be rubbish with lots of players unfamiliar with each other with no training coming together. At least this year they arent competing with any ELVs. Yesterday was far from rubbish. Could have had a couple more yellows, but it just wasnt that sort of game. One delib knock on left me absolutley no option – but the chat afterwards was that it should have been a pen try as well. Didnt think the pass was going to hand anyway, so I didn’t. Oddly the captain only mentioned this during his speech after the game when he’d been knobbled by the support. No callls of PT on the pitch at all. Makes me think I was right after all!
Hopefully my next one will be as good. Fortuneately, its only up the road (SW London) so it will be nice to leave home at 11.30 and be home by 6!
Posted by Ref on 4 May, 2008
https://refblog.co.uk/2008/05/04/long-day/
The International Rugby Board Council today announced that it had approved a global trial of Experimental Law Variations (ELVs) for a 12 month period starting on August 1, 2008. The trial at all levels of the Game will involve 13 of the 23 ELVs that have been undergoing experimentation in approved tournaments around the world over the last two years.
“The Council’s decision to implement a global trial of Experimental Law Variations represents an important milestone for the future of the Game. It vindicates the process that was adopted by Council in 2004 for future Law amendments. The Council congratulated the Law Project Group on its unprecedented work over the past two years,” said IRB Chairman Bernard Lapasset.
“It was also agreed that the sanctions ELVs (reduction of sanctions to free kicks from penalty kicks where possible) that were not approved for global trials would be further trialled in a selected elite Northern Hemisphere competition in the 2008/09 season.”
“The Southern Hemisphere will continue to play under the various ELV programme environments that exist in that part of the world at present. It would be unfair to change the playing environment under which countries in the south are currently playing in competitions such as the Super 14.”
“Not one of the Council representatives was against the global implementation of an ELV programme of some description. Many of the ELVs received unanimous approval as they had clearly shown potential to be beneficial to the Game thus meriting a further trial at all levels around the world.”
“The Laws Project Group had recommended a global trial of all of the ELVs but there were differing opinions between the Council Members on some of the ELVs in the area of the tackle and ruck, maul, sanctions and offside. The key point here was that the Members did not dismiss these ELVs outright but believed that further consideration and trials were necessary.”
“This is particularly true of the sanctions ELVs which have not been trialled by senior Unions in the north but which have been received favourably by players and coaches that have played under them in the Southern Hemisphere.”
“The Laws Project Group has been tasked to closely monitor the global trial with the assistance of its Member Unions. It will also work with the Senior Unions in the north to deliver and analyse the sanctions ELVs in an elite Northern Hemisphere Competition.”
“In November 2009 Council will review all the ELVs that will undergo global trial, along with the sanctions ELVs that will undergo approved trials in specific competitions. Council will then decide at this meeting if all or any of the ELVs should be accepted into full Law,” added Mr Lapasset.
ELVs to be trialled worldwide
Assistant Referees
Posts and flags around the field
Lineout and throw
Maul
Scrum
ELVs to be trialled in an elite Northern Hemisphere competition
Sanctions
Tackle and ruck
Maul
ELVs to be referred back to LPG for further analysis and possible experimentation
Lineout and throw
Tackle and ruck
Offside
Kick-off and restart kicks
Let the discussions begin!
Posted by Ref on 1 May, 2008
https://refblog.co.uk/2008/05/01/elvs-given-go-ahead/
The revised lists:
The IRB International Referee Panel in 2008 is:
The IRB’s touch judge panel:
The IRB’s TMO panel: George Ayoub (Australia), Giulio De Santis (Italy), Graham Hughes (England), Johan Meuwesen (South Africa), Shaun Veldsman (South Africa), Geoff Warren (England), Nigel Whitehouse (Wales)
Congrats to all newcomers!
Posted by Ref on 29 April, 2008
https://refblog.co.uk/2008/04/29/irb-panels-announced/
You couldn’t make it up!
Posted by Ref on 26 April, 2008
https://refblog.co.uk/2008/04/26/headlines-you-thought-youd-never-see/
From the RFU press office:
RFU consults grassroots over new laws experiment
April 23, 2008THE Rugby Football Union is giving everyone involved in English rugby the chance to have their say on the International Rugby Board’s proposal to introduce eight new Experimental Law Variations (ELVs) throughout the game next season.
The RFU believes that some of the ELVs could fundamentally change the nature of the game as it is currently known and that all those potentially affected by their introduction should be consulted.
The RFU is therefore launching a special consultation website www.rfusurvey.co.uk to enable all parts of the game to express their views on the ELVs and whether they should be trialled in the manner proposed.
The survey is scheduled to go live tomorrow evening (Thursday) and is open to players, coaches, referees and supporters and gives people chance to compare and vote on the existing law and its associated ELV before the Union formally responds to the IRB.
RFU Chief Executive Francis Baron said: “We have a number of concerns about the ELVs and the proposed process that is being followed regarding their introduction.
“As these Experimental Law Variations could potentially result in major changes to the Laws of the Game, the RFU believes it is important to consult those involved in the game at every level and give them an opportunity to express their views.
“In order to discover what participants in rugby union in England actually feel and to assist us in formulating the RFU’s response to the proposed changes, the Union has compiled an online questionnaire.
“I would urge everyone with an interest in the future of our game to go to www.rfusurvey.co.uk and spend ten minutes completing the questionnaire so we can paint as accurate a picture as possible of people’s views in England when the matter comes up for debate at the IRB in May.”
Ends…
Happy surveying!! – you’ll have to wait till tomorrow though!!
Posted by Ref on 23 April, 2008
https://refblog.co.uk/2008/04/23/rfu-seeking-elv-thoughts/
Interesting afternoon! Eight tries in the first half saw home side go in 45-5 up at half time. Few changes on either side, matched with a downpour and a completely different half ensued. Onlythe one try – great call from TJ – in the half, saw final score 45-12.
Wierd kind of game to referee. First half – stall set out where I needed to, loads of advantage, some great play. Second half – just got scrappy. Watched the DVD and I cant think of what I could have done to help. Scrums got worse – replacements!, the contact area got scrappy – wet ball, over-eagre replacements etc. Didnt really identify the scrum issue. Put it down to strong home LH prop making the most of a weakening visiting TH. Nothing untoward, but the balance just offset the stable platform Id worked hard at.
Hey ho. My third Div 1 and Im really pleased. Both coaches happy with me – a lot of what Im doing at the moment is what they call “player acceptance”. We have to be accepted by the clubs if we’re to progress. Whether we like it or not, that’s half the battle. Take Mr Changleng of Scotland. He fell out with the French sides in the comp he was involved in and look what happened next.
Ive got a long way to go but hopefully, with coaching and a lot of self learning as I go, I may well be able to cement my place in this league next year. When you’ve done that…..
Posted by Ref on 22 April, 2008
https://refblog.co.uk/2008/04/22/game-of-two-halves/
Well, here I am again, ensconced in my favourite hotel outside Exeter for the second of three consecutive trips down this way. Don’t mind, but the roads from my home to here aren’t of motorway quality so its slow miles! Hey ho.
Penultimate league game of the season and looking forward to my third Div 1 game. Had a fun day last weekend in the variable weather that sometimes befits the north Cornwall coast. Home side threw the game away in the gentleist of ways. Four trys gifted to their visitors from the north west. No drama from me. No cards, no controversey – just two 80m intercept tries to keep the lings bursting.
Tomorrow should be good. Nearly top v upper mid table. Ive done both of the sides involve earlier in the season so Im not new to them which is a pretty good way to ease my way into this new division. Still aware of the fact that they are just as likely to “play” me, as well as each other. There’ll be 30 professional players out there and Im sure they’ll have reviewed my appearances with them from earlier in the season.
Will report back on Sunday and let you know how it went!
Happy whistling
Ref
Posted by Ref on 18 April, 2008
https://refblog.co.uk/2008/04/18/deja-vu/
Northern doubts about ELVs
Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:09
As northern hemisphere countries show concern about the experimental law variations Ed Morrison, the former Test referee, has issued a warning about their possible detrimental effect on grassroots rugby.Morrison, who refereed the 1995 Rugby World Cup Final and has been involved in refereeing matters ever since, takes over as England’s head of elite referee development in June. He said: “We mustn’t ignore what impact these changes might have on the community end of the game.
“The vast majority of rugby is played by recreational players and we have to be very clear in our mind on what effect these law changes might have on their game. They are incredibly important to our future.”
Representatives from the Six Nations met on Tuesday to discuss the Northern Hemisphere’s position on the IRB’s new ELVs.
According to Morrison, most of the Unions shared England’s cautious view. “we’ve been going through a review process over last few months looking at each individual law and trying to work out what effect they would have on the game – not just at elite level.
“There’s been a whole host of experimenting being going on. But it’s only recently the IRB put forward a whole set of ELVs that they want to trial globally.
“We do support a number of the changes that the IRB are contemplating. There are some other ones that we have concerns and reservations over.
“We’re not too concerned about the speed of the changes that we support. What we are worrying about are the areas that we’re concerned will affect the game.”
The IRB Council will meet on 1 May to determine whether Northern Hemisphere Unions implement the ELVs.
“What we don’t know is what individual law experiments each Union will consider to be acceptable. All we’re concerned about is that we don’t damage the potential that confronts the game. This game has so many attractions on and off the field, we have to be 100% sure that we don’t diminish these prospects.”
Posted by Ref on 11 April, 2008
https://refblog.co.uk/2008/04/11/northern-doubts-about-elvs/
Call for rugby white cards
- By Wayne Smith
April 10, 2008But on the evidence of last week’s round of matches alone, when not just the Hurricanes were left complaining about dud decisions but the Western Force, New South Wales and Queensland, it’s a fair bet most players would welcome a widening of the net.
NATIONAL rugby referees manager Peter Marshall believes Australia should look at trialling a tennis-style white-card system that gives teams one opportunity each half to challenge an official’s decision.
The system was trialled for the first time on Monday during the Varsity Cup final between the Cape Town and Stellenbosch university teams and was rated an overwhelming success by Marshall’s South African counterpart, 2003 World Cup final referee Andre Watson.
Stellenbosch, trailing 10-9 at the time, was denied a second-half try when a Cape Town white card prompted the television match official (TMO) ruling that a number of players had been offside when the “try” was scored.
The idea has particular currency in the wake of Australian referee Paul Marks’ crucial decision to blow full-time on a 13-all draw between the Hurricanes and the Sharks without referring to the TMO an 80th-minute incident that he adjudicated as a Hurricanes knock-on but was in fact a legitimate try.
Had the Hurricanes been able to use their white card, which is problematic because it’s unlikely they would have held it until the last minute, they would have claimed the win and Marks would have been spared the controversy that almost certainly will lead to his demotion from the Super 14 panel. “The idea has merit,” Marshall said. “I think it’s worth a trial and if it’s successful, trial it again at a higher level.”
The difficulty is that for the white-card system to be valid, the TMO would require access to a number of camera angles in order to make the correct call and only Super 14 and Test matches attract that sort of saturation coverage.
Marshall admitted there was a danger the white-card system would undermine the referee’s authority. “It would take a bit of getting used to but most referees would say that as long as the correct decision was reached, that’s all that matters,” he said.
At this year’s Australian Open tennis, players were allowed challenge to line calls, which then were referred to the Hawk-Eye technology, but once they had made three incorrect challenges per set they were allowed no more during that stanza.
Statistics showed that players don’t necessarily make the best line-callers, with 162 of the 268 challenges in the men’s singles incorrect. Marshall believes if the white-card system was introduced, it would have to be a double-edged sword.
If a team challenged correctly, it obviously would benefit from the right decision being implemented but if it was wrong, some penalty should apply.
“I don’t know what that penalty would be, a short-arm free-kick, perhaps, or surrendering 10m, but there would definitely need to be some disincentive to using it frivolously, otherwise teams would use it as a ploy to deliberately slow down the game,” he said.
The fall-out of the Marks affair, which has received saturation coverage in New Zealand and is certain to generate more if the Hurricanes miss out on the play-offs because of the two competition points forfeited as a result of his self-admitted mistake, also could result in referees from non-SANZAR nations controlling Super 14 matches.
The game’s leading referees’ bosses from the Six Nations and SANZAR countries, Marshall among them, South Africa’s World Cup-winning coach Jake White and Welsh coach Warren Gatland will meet in Dublin on April 22 to 23 to consider development pathways to bring on promising referees from outside the mainstream competitions.
“Say you have a very good referee from Argentina or Japan or Fiji, then you might look at using them in the Super 14,” Marshall said. “Similarly, if you have an outstanding ref from Spain or Portugal or Georgia, you could really help their development by putting them in charge of European Cup matches.”
At present, only Australian, New Zealand and South African referees control Super 14 fixtures and Marshall said it would need a SANZAR “buy-in” before any officials from lesser rugby nations took charge of Super 14 games.
From http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23514864-5002381,00.html
Posted by Ref on 10 April, 2008
https://refblog.co.uk/2008/04/10/white-card-idea/